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Eugene,OR

Sanklap, it is ALL about the ratios.

4/20/2025 8:01:17 PM

Grittyville, WA

I think thats reasonable thinking. You can test your plan later with tissue or sap testing.

[Last edit: 04/21/25 3:23:39 AM]

4/20/2025 9:33:57 PM

Roseville CA

Russ, what PPM values do you aim for, and what ratios do you think are most important?

4/20/2025 9:36:30 PM

Eugene,OR

I’m really not concerned about ppm. I want my soil to be “balanced” (or in the proper ratios). If your ratios are not where they need to be you will have nutrients which are chemically “locked up” which means that they are not available for your plants to use. It is basic organic chemistry. You can have high ppm levels, but that does not mean that everything is available. Your grow will be limited by whatever is not available. The Langley soil calculator is a great way to find out what you need to do to balance your soil so all of the nutrients will be available to your plants.

4/21/2025 12:45:39 AM

Roseville CA

Ok, i understand that, but how are the Patons able to grow in soil that doesn't have the right ratios and reach wr pace?

4/21/2025 1:14:57 AM

Grittyville, WA

So they might get even better results if they had their ratios "right"? I dont know which ratios the Patons are getting wrong, but I know they are always playing around with their nitrogen levels... I'm sure they are aware of some targets that work for them. They have had some issues with splits... unfortunately WR pace and WR are not the same thing.

I don't doubt that some Langley type soil balancing gives the best odds of getting something to the scale. But you can always add higher octane fuel than is recommended, and see what happens, good or bad!

Great questions btw Sankalp. Maybe not easiest ones to answer.

[Last edit: 04/21/25 5:54:33 PM]

4/21/2025 5:49:48 PM

Eugene,OR

Great answer Brandon. I’ve been thinking about how to answer this question all day long…and now I don’t have to!

4/22/2025 12:32:04 AM

Roseville CA

That is very true, thanks for the answer. Actually this brings me to wonder more. What if I can get the soil tests from the top 100 pumpkins grown over the past year and formulate the average for the best ratios and PPM values that caused growth.

Also, my ratios are like 70% in check. Just a few that are off by a bit, but I should be fine on those as long as I stay on top of my plants.

I love this discussion.

4/22/2025 2:01:39 AM