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Somerset,Ky

Matt, could you find out what the 1,161 cone was as mine &
Jeff Z had Brown Seeds and was not a 1,161 Rodonis clone
un sure where the cutting came from but there was a mix up
on the plant.

John Van Hook

10/2/2011 7:07:33 AM

Colorado

john, i grew a 1161 and 1421 clone. Both fruit they produced had brown seeds.Both the pumpkins were the shape and color expected

10/2/2011 12:40:48 PM

Somerset,Ky

I grew both also, 1161's have white seeds tho.

10/2/2011 2:58:13 PM

Connecticut

The 1161 Rodonis seeds are white from what I have heard from the lucky growers that have had the opportunity to grow this seed.

The 1725 Sweet produced half and half seeds half white and half tan for the most part.

With the clones the key part is to remember you are growing the 1161 Rodonis but the seeds are a result of the cross you made and can differ in their color from the parent or original. The genetics of the plant are the same as the 1161 Rodonis but the seeds are only half of the 1161 clone genetics.

10/2/2011 9:44:03 PM

Hinckley MN

Matt D. are you sure the seed coat color is inherited from the polinator of the pumpkin? cutting open an unpollinated pumpkin after it aborted this year revealed the seeds in the ovaries. The pollen contributes DNA to the seed inside the seedcoat, but I believe only the female contributes to the seed coat. Just as in mammals the female contributes the egg and its cell wall and the male contributes the DNA in the nucleus of the cell. I could be wrong, college botany was decades ago.

10/2/2011 10:00:27 PM

Connecticut

If memory serves me I have had white seeds produce tan seeds and tan seeds produce white seeds in the past. So there can easily be some variance between the original seeds that produces the plant and the seeds the fruit yields.

I am happy to see multiple growers having success with the clones this year.

10/2/2011 10:08:28 PM

sevierville, Tn

What you said is correct " white seeds produce tan seeds and tan seeds produce white seeds" depends of the parents, but i believe that a clone should have the exact same seeds as the plant it came from.
Example... a pumpkin on the main & a pumpkin on a side vine of the same plant would have the exact same color seeds..Right ?
Well thats what a clone is right ?

10/2/2011 11:05:11 PM

Somerset,Ky

The clone is an 1161 the color should be white same genetics ans the cutting! The seed color will change in the next generation not in the cutting materal. The pollinator has no control on mother plant.

10/2/2011 11:19:51 PM

Colorado

It doesnt surprise me to see variation in seed colour,fruit shape etc even with clones.

10/2/2011 11:20:01 PM

Clayton, Ohio, USA

Every pumpkin grown on a particular plant will contain seeds that are
identically colored - irreguardless of what was used to pollinate them.
Every pumpkin grown from the 1161(1725 Ken Sweet cutting) should be
identical in color to the 1725 Sweet '10 seeds. If they aren't the same, then there was probably an honest mix up somewhere.

10/3/2011 8:42:19 AM

Western NY

I'm with Joe - I wouldn't be surprised in some seed variation. I would think the stress of the cloning procedure and major change in nutrients may tweak a few of the plant's minor characteristics.

10/3/2011 8:59:15 AM

[email protected]

The seeds can change color from fruit to fruit, I grew an 810 dill and had 3 fruit on it, 2 were white and one was brown.

10/3/2011 9:51:56 AM

Colorado

I saw someones diary that had a 1663 zoellner clone with two fruit on it.One was long like you would expect and the other looked quite a bit shorter.The clone experiment will give us more info on how environment and nutrition effect the genetic expression on these crazy pumpkins.

10/3/2011 12:12:01 PM

Little-TON - Colorado

We still have a lot to figure out with the cloning...Matt is to be commended on what he has done to date with the cloning, and Im sure we have lots of new surprises in cloning and will learn more and more as we proceed forward with open minds.

10/4/2011 3:29:21 PM

Somerset,Ky

OK let me ask this question, Did this cutting come strate from Ken Sweet to Matt?

10/6/2011 9:07:34 AM

Connecticut

Yes, direct grower to propagator shipping. I can even go a step further and say all the 1161 Rodonis clones that grew the 1725 Sweet all came from just one initial cutting.

10/12/2011 10:33:29 PM