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Macomb County

I found who seems to be the best distrubutor of Lithovit in the U.S. Doug at [email protected]

I suggested he join the site and post. Phil Hunt and his wife aren't exaggerating. The stuff is amazing and the others don't comapre. Doug is willing to work with smaller orders than other ones are too.

3/3/2011 9:55:39 AM

Alabama

That sounds great.

3/3/2011 4:39:58 PM

valparaiso, in

What are the prices?

3/3/2011 6:59:20 PM

Macomb County

$15.00 a pound, minimum 2 pounds and $5.00 shipping and handling. Others are 4 pound minimum and $20.00 shipping and handling.

3/3/2011 8:49:46 PM

Alabama

Thats a great deal how do we buy it, does he take paypal. and how long does it keep for.

3/3/2011 10:12:30 PM

Owensboro, Ky.

GJ, does the price go down as the shipping $ go up? So far it doesn't make the #'s work? 2#'s at 15 is 30 plus 5 is 35!!!(17.50 per total) 4#'s @15 is 60 plus 20 is 80 ($20 per total)...why is it more $ if ya buy more? Peace, Wayne

3/4/2011 2:46:21 AM

Ohio

Sounds like a OK price, and nothing against you Jack...


BUT... Ill stick with what Tom Priverta sells at the extremepumpkinstore.com .

Im going to keep my money in the pumpkin growing community ,espically for a guy like Tom, you cant beat a better guy like him anywhere, and as far as his store goes,his customer service you wont beat anywhere on the net, or just plain being a good friend to everyone.

Hes definitely a honest and straight forward guy just trying to make a living who will help out anyone he can here on bp.com, no matter what the situation is.

3/4/2011 8:25:43 AM

Georgetown, Ontario

...but Tom doesn't sell Lithovit.....right? Lithovit is NOT the same as RTI's CO2, just ask anybody who has used both.

3/4/2011 3:44:11 PM

East Jordan, MI

Wayne, I think Giant Jack was saying other people who sell Lithovit require you to buy 4 lbs and they charge $20 for shipping, vs Doug who only requires 2 lb purchase and only charges $5 shipping, but I could be wrong.

3/4/2011 9:22:57 PM

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

Brooks, no arguement here that Tom is a class act and his products are first rate. He has been very good to me and our club. Having said that, RTI and Lithovit are not the same product. You can order Lithovit by the pound, at least here in Canada. I received a quote for a one lb. bag that was very reasonable.

3/4/2011 9:45:56 PM

Ohio

Pumpkin Shepherd....not the same?,,, you mean they both work differently and dont supply the plant with the same type effect as the other?
or do you guys mean not the same for a example in say Jiffy peanut butter verses Peter Pan peanut butter when comparing?
What is the big difference between the two products that they are not the same and what do they supply the plant the other does not?

thanks,
Brooks

3/5/2011 4:25:06 AM

New Zealand

yee ha! i love it

3/5/2011 4:56:45 AM

Georgetown, Ontario

Brooks, I think they are both supposed to do the same thing in regards to CO2 into the stomata but I would compare them more like Kool-Aid vs Gatorade. RTI's CO2 (or now called CalCarb) is just calcium carbonate and is a white powder. Lithovit is a grey powder and contains calcium carbinate but also contains magnesium carbinate, silica, potassium oxide, sodium, phosphate, iron, alumina, sulphate, strontium, barium, manganese, and zinc. I'm no expert, just going by what I see. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

3/5/2011 6:32:42 AM

Salinas, Ca

By researching the internet and talking to the folks at RTI here's my understanding. I'm not an expert in the field so take from it what you want.

Other that the Ca and Mg, the other elements are considered "contaminants" in the mined product. That is not to say they are harmful, they are just there at very low levels and naturally present in the mineral body where the mine is located. The K, Fe, SO4, Mn & Zn are at too small an amount to be of any value to crops. The other elements such as Barium and Strontium are considered "heavy metals" when present at high levels.

This may now be different but my understanding regarding the size of the particles is that both CALCARB and Lithovit are micro sized at 60 microns or less which enables them to be pulled up through the stomata. Lithovit is micronized (nano sized as they refer to it) through a milling process. CALCARB is micronized by running the calcium carbonate through a precipitation cycle which from what I've heard actually produces a finer material. The key to performance of both products is the small particle size that can enter stomatal openings.
Continued…

3/5/2011 11:15:37 AM

Salinas, Ca

…Continued
Which is "better"? I don't know, I've not used Lithovit nor have I come across any tests done in a environment where one can conclusively state one is better than the other. What I do know is that RTI will be attending the California, Elk Grove growers meeting today, donating product, answering questions and helping the growers. By looking at the list of Niagra attendees Neil and his team will also be at Niagra doing the same. I do not know the Lithovit principal’s names so I do not know if they will be at Niagra doing the same. I suggest those at Niagra talk to the folks at RTI and ask them the tough questions in person and draw your own conclusions.
For full disclosure purposes, I work closely with RTI, they are located in my hometown and they have been a tremendous help to me over the past couple years. Am I biased? Probably. But their products work and they are more than willing to answer any and all questions anybody has. If you have questions regarding their products I suggest that instead of starting a thread on here asking questions simply pick-up the phone and call them. You should do this with every vendor you’re considering using. The last thing I want to do is work all summer in my patch and not be confident with the product and practices I use.

3/5/2011 11:15:55 AM

Ohio

Thanks for that info Mike!!, ,by using these threads on this site about any product out there that any grower might have to find out the answer to is exactly why these threads are here. Don't get me wrong, picking up the phone and calling is a great idea, and starting a thread on here about these two products I think is also.

By putting up a post (that was just hijacked ,,sorry Jack!,,lol) I think the best way to find out about different products and how they work is also from the growers themselves that might have used ether one, or even both, that way you can get a better idea on which product works best,the same, better or maybe no difference in the two, and not just a one sided bias conversation that you know you will get when you call each company and what they tell you about their product.

Thank you Mike for responding to the thread, you sure did clear some questions I have had about the two products. I learned alot from you and I thank you.

Pumpkin Shepherd - I really didnt ask you a question with a question because I really and honestly didnt know the answer,,lol!

Thanks again for the info Mike,
Brooks

3/5/2011 8:20:17 PM

Georgetown, Ontario

Sorry Brooks - It sounded like a question to me so I thought I would answer it.

3/5/2011 9:11:38 PM

Ohio

lol Shepherd!! It was a question, but I thought you was answering me with a question,,lol,, Ah,,, no need to be sorry, I appreciate you posting about it.

3/5/2011 9:58:51 PM

Cameron

I doubt Lithovit is targeting giant pumpkin growers, but it is a great product for them. That's likely why they haven't been to Niagara. We were part of the initial trial for Lithovit here in Canada in 2009. We have used both products, but just happen to preferred the Lithovit. Neil is a smart guy, with some good products & we really enjoy listening to him speak in Niagara. See you all there.

Phil

3/5/2011 10:17:17 PM

Owensboro, Ky.

Phil, just curious...what crops are Lithovit targeted for? Peace, Wayne

3/6/2011 1:17:22 AM

Georgetown, Ontario

Their marketing is targeted more towards agriculture and landscape industries. For example I am using it in my lawncare business as part of our fertilizing programs. By adding Lithovit to my programs I am able to reduce my fertilizer applications by 25% and still have the same lush green lawn as before. So I use $500 worth of Lithovit and save $5000 worth of fertilizer.

3/6/2011 6:58:57 AM

Owensboro, Ky.

Kul beans Shepherd, makes since now!!! and it works on AG's too? LOL Just kiddin Peace, Wayne

3/6/2011 4:18:28 PM

Cameron

Great reply John. He's right Wayne, that's who they are targeting. It is also a great product for us giant pumpkin growers & I wouldn't dismiss using it because they don't go to Niagara. I've used a lot of products over the years that we couldn't tell if it helped or not, but this is one product that I know works & it works very well if used & applied properly. I hope this helps.

Phil

3/7/2011 7:48:21 AM

North Dakota

I am not sure how many giant pumpkin growers are using Lithovit, but I received my 2 pounds last week from Doug at [email protected]. Along with the Lithovit I purchased SEA 2 - 0 -- a micronutrient derived from the ocean. I sparayed 2 of my house plants with undiluted SEA 2 - 0 to see if I would kill my flowers. To my surprise, my plants did not die, and I can't believe how green the leaves are today. Doug even mailed easy to read instructions.
Thank you Doug. Birdie72

3/23/2011 4:39:33 PM