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Ohio

quote: Joe Scherber,

''The reason why the huge pumpkins have no seeds in them is because of Don Young's 1662!''

HAHAHAHA! Sorry Joe I had to post this, it tickled the crap out of me!,,lol

But I think Joe is right! Its Don Young's fault when he grew that monster 1662 that was infected with the no seed virus!! and its been spreading ever since!,,lol

12/16/2010 7:27:14 PM

Frankfort Ohio

it does seem like the bigger they get the fewer seed they have i sure hope all of mine next year have 20 seeds or less

12/16/2010 10:01:57 PM

Ohio

I kinda agree Jed, but alot of the small pumpkins that growers have grown over the last years , alot of them was seedless or almost seedless also. I think you just dont notice the smaller pumpkins being seedless as much as you do the big ones because everyone wants to grow seeds out of a big ones.

the email Joe and I had was about the 1479 Neptune 10' being seedless and then him kidding around saying that about Dons 1622 just made me laugh out loud ,,lol,, It was a had to be there type moment joke he made.

The closest I can come to all the speculation as to why the big monsters dont have seeds is from the Joe Ailts 135 post theory, which made alot of sense to me.

12/17/2010 8:36:33 AM

Sorry to disagree, Jed, but I've grown plenty of tiny, seedless pumpkins. I am the master of perfecting that particular genetic trait.

12/17/2010 1:51:07 PM

Germany

Nevertheless, after aggc there are descendants from the in 1662 =

919 Adams 10 ( 1662 Young 07 x 1557 Hilstolsky 09 )

12/17/2010 2:09:42 PM

Eastern Pennsylvania

What! Maybe a typo when entered as I see from his other 2010 pumpkins there was also a 1662.5 Stelts in the patch?

12/17/2010 4:47:13 PM

Eastern Washington State

I'm with nilbert. Had a 100 lb seedless wonder this year. Grown totally organically without any sort of treatment whatsoever other than compost. The top knotch AG genetics are so supercharged that the plants can set a fruit without the normal requirement for chemical signal from the developing seeds. The seedless grape folks have to treat with gibberellin to get fruit but AGs apparently can do just fine on their own.

12/17/2010 7:46:30 PM

Frankfort Ohio

i had 2 out of 5 with bad seed counts and they were both tiny pumpkins my 219 est had 12 good seeds and my 423 only had 35 good seeds both were late pollination with high heat

12/17/2010 8:45:49 PM

El Paso TX.

Brooks - do you think it might be a recessive gene that is becoming more prevelant due to the crossing of such similar genetics ? I came across this article which discusses Bisex Sterility Governed by a Single Recessive Gene in Cucurbita pepo L. which sites a paper by A.E. Hutchins in 1944 which reports the same results in c.maxima as well. ( http://cuke.hort.ncsu.edu/cgc/cgc20/cgc20-20.html )

In it it states :
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Phenotypically, sterility in YSN531-PMR resembles the bisex sterilities cited by previous investigators; the androecium is rudimentary, female flowers appear normal, but no viable seed are obtained by controlled or natural pollination.
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12/18/2010 12:00:27 PM

Hamburg, NY

Lot's of combinations of chemicals being used???

12/18/2010 12:26:21 PM

Eastern Washington State

Ray,

At least for the one I grew this year, there were no chemicals or any other products, nothing but compost in the soil applied.

JD, that same pumpkin plant had what appeared to be totally normal stamens with lots of pollen. It was surprising when it had no seeds.

12/18/2010 7:36:30 PM

Little-TON - Colorado

JD, Good article...that being said....what would we cross theZe with to break the mold? Greenies? Acorn Squash, I have crossed one with an acorn....and seen it grown the next year.....lol Seems most AG's are related somewhat, so where would we go from here?

12/19/2010 8:13:01 AM