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3 acre corner in Whittaker,Mi USA ([email protected])

Hi everybody!
my 1059 vincent/mcgill plant succumbed to svb's early on after I had a fruit set and it never got past 120 lbs. By september the fruit still turned a super awesome orange but never got any bigger though. I harvested about 80 seeds from it and they all appeared mature enough so I dried them out and have them now.(The cross was 1059 vincent/mcgill X 1054 van hook by the way.) Could I still achieve a large fruit from these seeds possibly even though the fruit itself did not get big or anything...I guess what I am asking is that are the genetics still there for a biggun?? Thanks a lot!!Erik

11/11/2010 2:31:24 AM

3 acre corner in Whittaker,Mi USA ([email protected])

Also forgot to mention! Meaning that the seed from the small fruit is the mother and not the pollinator.

11/11/2010 5:38:35 AM

Somerset,Ky

Yes Erik

11/11/2010 6:03:03 AM

Rhode Island

unless its your own seed that you are curious about from your small pumpkin, they usually do not see much soil.to many seeds from much much larger pumpkins available for planting.

why would competitive growers plant seed from a 120 pounder when the chances for success are much better with seed from a larger pumpkin? thats just the way it is.

thats not to say a big one can not be grown but the chances of getting people to plant seed from a tiny pumpkin are slim.if you did groe something big with your own seed? then people might take a run at it the following year.

pap

11/11/2010 6:38:33 AM

New York

The only factors inhibiting further growth of your fruit were environmental rather than genetic. Obviously, with both parents over 1000 lbs, seeds from your 120 lber will have just as much growth potential as a 1200lber grown off the 1059 V/M. The 1524 Starr was grown off the 227 Leland, the 275 Van Hook has thrown eight fruit over 1000 lbs, and the 125 Wolf has grown at least a couple 1k'ers that I'm aware of.

11/11/2010 8:48:32 AM

Colorado

1308 Todd was grown off of the 50 Todd this year. IF the genetics are there, then you can still grow a big one.

11/11/2010 9:35:05 AM

Pocatello ([email protected])

I grew the 125 Wolf a couple of times and it was a great seed.

How did the pollinator, the 1054 Van Hook do? If the pollinator had the size and other characteristics (color, plant vigor) that you desire, then I'd definitely plant it.

11/11/2010 10:10:36 AM

Little-TON - Colorado

LMPete....we know so well dont we Pete.....

That Barry Van San Bagus........lol Got us both.....
but we know thing for sure..... that 1385 BiZ grew ( The great White IceBreaker) is now responsible for two Colorado State recordZ ......gee what would happen if a Heavy Hitter would grow it within the Pumpkin belt.....perhapZ this is the 2000 lb genetics we are looking for. I would like to personally know of any other "WHITE" and long 1385s that have been grown.......
Also the 1019 Grande cross is the has the 1502 and 500 Wallace geneticZ that I know of......SoundZ intriging Ehhh?

GrowZ'em BIG

WiZzzy One KanoBi

11/11/2010 12:05:15 PM

Little-TON - Colorado

Ahh.... Should of typed......The 1019 Grande cross in the only cross that I know of with the 1502 Wallace and the 500 Wallace........with the Great White 1385 Jutras....

11/11/2010 12:07:14 PM

Colorado

Yes,they can have great genetics.You have to factor in why the parent pumpkin was small.Andy's 125 wolf seed was grown in tough love for genetics and barry's 50 pounder had about 20 pumpkins on the plant.

11/11/2010 1:13:55 PM

South Hero, VT

Which is better? Small x big, or big x small?

11/11/2010 1:20:29 PM

New York

What do you mean? A 125 Wolf x 1810 Stevens would not be noticeably different from the reverse cross, if that's what you're asking.

11/11/2010 1:44:14 PM

Redmond, Washington; U.S.A.

big x big. Lol

11/11/2010 3:50:39 PM

Southeast

I would think a bunch about the genetics of the fruit fly and there you will find your answer.

11/11/2010 6:09:53 PM

South Hero, VT

David, do you breed fruit flies for size?

11/11/2010 6:32:49 PM

Bemidji Minnesota

If you have the space for it I would highly suggest planting it. That is a nice cross, and it was obviously not small due to genetics.

One thing you can do, as a way to help growers out, and to get some tested, is start out a couple extras in the spring.

Often on the board there will be members who have emergencies when their plants die, ussually from weather, or a neighbor kids pulls them or something, some ways into the early season, and they do not want to wait to germ new seeds.

Often they are more than happy just to get a started plant.

You could also offer free seeds for a SASBE in the seed exchange section.

There are some growers who are just looking for that dark horse, or one that has good orange genetics for a prettiest pumpkin/ Howard Dill award contended.

So giving out some as free seeds, and maybe even a couple free plants in the spring, and you may get a couple people who want to try it.

11/11/2010 7:55:57 PM

Boise City, Oklahoma, USA

Never discount that small fruit; there's been a few surprises out there.

11/11/2010 10:00:12 PM

Upa Creek, MO

Dumb analogy but a spin: 60lb sexually mature, 6 month old St Bernard puppy humping everything it sees stumbles upon a 6 month old, 60lb sexually mature female Bull Mastiff. The female has a liter 9 weeks later in the streets, but unfortunately passes due to the environment (vine borers). Those little puppies were found and are being adopted out by the Humane Society... can they get to be 140+ lbs like their breed average given the right environmental factors even though their parents never made that weight?

11/11/2010 10:22:27 PM

3 acre corner in Whittaker,Mi USA ([email protected])

Thanks for all the input everybody!! The 120 lber was my little one. My 542 lb. Was grown on the 1054.5 van hook plant and my 396 lb. Was grown on my 1339 vincent/mcgill plant. I just really like the 1059's super orange color and thought about keeping a spot in my 2nd patch (patch X) for these seeds. Thanks guys/gals!!!

11/11/2010 11:21:39 PM

Little-TON - Colorado

The best part about growing your own seedZ iZ you can start 6 to a dozen and take the hardiest plant.... That way you get the best of the best from thoZe genetics you created....

Please send all your 1161 Rodonis seedZ to

[email protected]

There....I beat yah to it BRookZster...
and I vote for the 6 month old St Bernard, now thatZ high-BRED-Vigor......How tall was the Bull Mastiff?

11/12/2010 6:30:20 AM

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

There is a reason why some growers have a genetics patch. There is a member of our club who would only plant seeds from heavy fruit thinking only heavy pumpkins can produce heavy pumpkins, of course that's just silly;)

11/12/2010 8:25:09 AM

Pocatello ([email protected])

If you believe in genetics, I've got a 1725 Harp X 1467 Perham available. It was never weighed, and I'm just calling it 300 est. Anyway, I'm going to plant it next year.

11/13/2010 8:26:01 AM