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AGGC doesn't have a classification. But somebody must own the bragging rights.

Most growers know that without a true basal crown (stump sic) these plants offer little more than "genetic potential".

5/2/2010 10:58:50 AM

Western NY

1006 Colbert

5/2/2010 11:14:31 AM

Pleasant Hill, Or

I would agree with you Tremor that a clone will never grow the next WR, but I think it's potential is much greater than just a pollinator.

I had a clone growing in 2008 that would have easily eclipsed the 1006 Colbert. It was cruising at a growth rate in the low 30's/day then suddenly ramped to 40 + and split. Had it not split she would have easily been 1300+.

Another interesting attribute is it went nearly 35% heavy when the parent plant was 6% over chart. Coincidence? We'll see. Looking forward to the results from the Debacco clones.

Thad

5/2/2010 11:57:21 AM

Pataskala,OH

Hopefully I can prove you wrong this year Starrfarms. LOL Jk A lot of people growing clones this year. Why do you think a clone cannot grow a WR? It's the same thing as a seedling unless it gets pot-bound. I think the only limiting factor is keeping the clone alive all winter.

5/2/2010 12:39:51 PM

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Nic,

To date, none have managed to develop a main vine or secondary system (food factory) that was capable of WR growth. Genetic potential can only be realized when the plant is capable.

5/2/2010 1:44:15 PM

Pataskala,OH

I don't know It seems that everyone plants clones in their "experimental" patch and they don't get the attention they need to reach their potential. I have never seen anyone grow a clone as their main plant before and give it a whole bunch of attention. We will never know unless someone attempts it. I have a feeling we will get a few 700- 900 lb clones from the Debacco project.

5/2/2010 2:40:36 PM

Somerset Ky

696 lbs on a 1306 jutras on a clone plant had a late pollination date also.

5/2/2010 4:12:00 PM

Wallingford,CT

'Most growers know that without a true basal crown (stump sic) these plants offer little more than "genetic potential".'

"Our 845 Bobier cutting is extremely agressive. All this junk about "no stump" simply isn't true. I beleieve if world record growers gave the same effort to growing cuttings they do seeds, things would be different."

2 quotes, same author.....

5/2/2010 4:46:14 PM

Joliet, IL

almost all apple trees today are grown from clones. i have never seen a trunkless apple tree. now whether you want to say apple trees have a true trunk or not or if pumpkin clones have a true stump or not...i guess it is just semantics. nic welty might provide more insight into this debate.

5/2/2010 6:27:18 PM

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'Most growers know that without a true basal crown (stump sic) these plants offer little more than "genetic potential".'

"Our 845 Bobier cutting is extremely agressive. All this junk about "no stump" simply isn't true. I beleieve if world record growers gave the same effort to growing cuttings they do seeds, things would be different."



I hope you're right Bart but having grown an 845 Bobier cutting in 2004 I assure you a strong main isn't always possible.

5/2/2010 8:08:27 PM

Minnesota([email protected])

Shazzy,
Apple trees are typically grafted onto a roostock of some sort.
I'm wondering if a clone could be grafted onto a basal crown?

5/2/2010 8:55:30 PM

Joliet, IL

good point doug...that i did not know and researched a bit and i see that i was wrong about most apple trees being clones even though some have been started in the cloning method. i did know that they were rarely grown from seed due to the apple trees wanting to revert back to its wild origins and less than desirable tastes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_tree_propagation

after reading this above info from wikipedia, i see that there are many ways to start a new plant from an old one as far as apple trees go. there have been some mad scientists here on bp.com that have tried grafting in the past but i do not remember who they were or how successful. very cool info and thanks for the correction. i learned some cool stuff today.

5/2/2010 10:09:20 PM

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One of our club members is a professional plant propagator. Ir is highly unlikely that cucurbits can be grafted. However it is an intriguing thought.

5/3/2010 10:07:29 AM

Connecticut

While I have not done cucurbit grafting myself, there are large scale production operations that have.

Take a look at the following websites I found…


Step-by-step grafting:
http://www.unido.org/fileadmin/import/46642_GraftingApproximation_Pict.pdf


Gives list of available rootstocks for cucurbit grafting and shows large scale production
http://mbao.org/2008/060Besri.pdf


Another site that says cucurbit grafting may be an alternative to methyl bromide, and gives a grafted plants to ungrafted plants cost comparison
http://ec.europa.eu/environment/ozone/conference/lisboa/cucurbits/1.pdf


Apparently grafting is rare in the US
http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/publications/publications.htm?seq_no_115=223352

5/3/2010 11:52:53 AM

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That is very cool Matt. I think we can expect great thing from your cuttings project.

5/3/2010 12:25:49 PM