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Little-TON - Colorado

Who has done the trial with AZO inncoculations on seedZ and also putting into potZ?

I started tomatos this weekend with my trials....HowZ everyone else doing? What are your observations?

4/26/2010 8:53:47 AM

Western NY

http://www.bigpumpkins.com/MsgBoard/ViewThread.asp?b=9&p=341832

4/26/2010 9:53:43 AM

Ohio

How are you inoculating with the azo?,, do you spray the azo directly on the seed itself before planting?,,

and how are you putting it into the soil in the pot?,,with a light spray of the AZO along with your mycorrhizae?

I hope someone answers this thread, looks like the last thread was forgot about,,LOL.

4/26/2010 10:58:47 AM

Little-TON - Colorado

I soaked as usual, then toss them in the Bag like a pork chop in shake a bake. I also sprinkled some around the seed.

I found that 5 of 6 came up with only one cot leaving the other in the seed shell. Plants were leggy (reaching for the light) which was as expected as it was a germ test.\

I let the plants grow for about two weeks before I pulled them up. They developed true leaves OK, did not notice any yellowing or dark green color.

This week I started the same way on tomatos

4/26/2010 11:15:57 AM

Little-TON - Colorado

I have also heard others being concerned of it yellow their leaves and causing scabs on the cots......Any others experiencing this?

4/26/2010 11:19:35 AM

Glosta

I am using Azos but a different brand, not RTI's. It Is a seed treat so I soaked my seeds and then tossed them inthe seed treat. Similar to the way the Wiz shake n baked his. so far no noticeable difference except that the 1236 Vincent Mcgill showed a root, and went into a pot next day it was out of soil and hunting for light. Plant or azos? who knows, other plants have not shown to be as vigorous as this. But still have 4 that need to germ.

4/26/2010 11:33:13 AM

canal winchester ohio

I sprinkled mine with Azos, 1375 Liggett showed a root in 24 hours, 1207 Young in about 28 hours. Put'em in the pots this morning.

4/26/2010 11:48:22 AM

Northern Cambria, Pa.

I tried it twice with two different sets of 10 seeds each time. Five treated and five untreated each time. In the first batch, the treated seeds sprouted a day ahead of the untreated but only had one cot. In the second batch, the untreated seeds sprouted a day before the treated ones and all had both cots. The treated seed cots were a little wrinkled though and did not look quite as good as the untreated. Root mass was the same on both. I guess I would have to say that the results were inconclusive.

4/26/2010 12:18:05 PM

Pataskala,OH

I'm using Myco, Azos, Actinovate, and CO2 this year basically everything that could possibly be of help.

4/26/2010 4:27:19 PM

Minnesota

I bought some Azo's. I sprinkled some on my post toasties cereal, did'nt taste that good,,I'll have to wait to see if it will help me plants. (joking on the cereal part) excited about trying it though.

4/26/2010 5:47:03 PM

[email protected]

Im using milk, miracle gro, and throwing a handful of pumpkin seeds into a pile of the hottest chicken shit I can find. I cant get any worse than I have been doing the past 13 years!

4/26/2010 10:23:00 PM

Littleton, Colo

...I'm not impressed on any of my tezt.....not going to uze it ......

4/26/2010 11:09:40 PM

Breslau, Ontario, Canada

Myco if I'm not mistaken takes for weeks to develop in your soil with the roots. I'm under the impression that the Azos is very much like it. This is why some guys are pre- enoculating their pots with sacrificial plants to get healthy colonization in the growing medium before there competition seedling goes into that pot.
Azos isn't a magic powder... I dont think just rolling a seed around in the stuff is going to produce miracle seedlings. I think you will see the benefits of it later in the season.

4/27/2010 12:06:38 AM

canal winchester ohio

I didn't jump into it blindly, if you google ( or bing) Azospirillum Brasilense innoculation you'll find there have been numerous studies done on innoculating seeds prior to planting. This stuff isn't new, it's been used for 20 plus years.

4/27/2010 11:57:41 AM

Arden, NC

Paul,

Have you heard of anyone using Azos to innoculate corn seed with? Since corn is such a heavy nitrogen feeder I would think the use there might be beneficial. Reason why I ask...is that I'll ring my Ag's with sweet corn...not only as a wind break but to keep the curious out and have some corn to put up for the winter. I'm going to plant a SH2 corn which is notorious for poor germination and is expensive seed (but great eating corn) so I want to have every chance to get this to produce well along with my AG's.

4/27/2010 8:19:26 PM

Honeoye Falls New York

Im going to soak mine in vitazyme

4/27/2010 8:34:07 PM

canal winchester ohio

Here's a good article about innoculation of corn & soybeans. After reading it you'll probably want to innoculate your corn with it.
http://www.bashanfoundation.org/cassan/cassanjaponicum.pdf

4/27/2010 9:00:57 PM

Arden, NC

Thanks Paul,

I perused the article and it does sound very interesting.
I have one question though...this study indicated that the corn and soybeans were put in a growing medium to support the corns growth ......if I want to innoculate the corn seed with Azos by soaking the seed in an Azos solution do I need to give the bacteria (azos) anything to "eat" while they are hopefully infiltrating the corn seed. I'm wondering if some sort of very light sugar source is needed for the Azos since once the seed is soaked overnight then the solution would be discarded...or dumped on something already established.....just thinkin out loud....this may be a question for Tom.

4/28/2010 12:03:00 AM

canal winchester ohio

I've never put much thought into the growing medium used in these studies & here's my reasoning. Most of these studies are done to determine if it is worthwhile to use the material ( in this case Azospirillum Brasilense ) to aid in the germination of a seed & the sub sequential growth to follow. I never tried to test it myself because it would never be even, the untreated might be 2 degrees cooler based on where they are sitting or the treated might be a little more damp because I might have given it a drop more water by mistake. And after their in the soil all I can go on is what I see above ground ( cot leaves, first leaf) & miss the important part going on underground.
I'm thinking with the growing medium they can remove the root, measure the length & weight. In the study you probably saw that the treated was way ahead in every way except the length of the root after 10 days which was about even. And even then when the root was removed from the growing medium & weighed the total weight of the treated seed was way, way ahead of the untreated seed showing that we can't go on the "eyeball" test saying it had as much roots. The treated had fuller, healthier roots & without the aid of a medium to grow on that would have not been able to check.
These tests are done for a practical farm use & not for a more detailed way of germinating seeds the way we do them singularly. So I've always looked at the results to be read in a way of if they are a benefit to be used as basically inoculation & planting straight to the soil.

4/28/2010 10:04:51 AM