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Minnesota([email protected])

I start my seeds by the wet paper towel/plastic baggie method. I seem to be getting at least 50% club rooted seeds(so far I've germinated about 8 seeds). What are your thoughts on club roots? Are they something we should be trying to breed out of a seed line? Or are they as normal as non-club roots? Is the club root trait passed on by gentics? In choosing my final seed line-up should I take the club roots into consideration when choosing, or just go with the genetics I like?
I've also noticed that the club rooted seeds seem to take longer to germinate...maybe that's a coincidence though.

4/30/2009 10:16:24 PM

Boise City, Oklahoma, USA

How warm are you germing at?

4/30/2009 11:59:43 PM

Ohio

Doug, are you using peroxide?
Not that it causes clubs roots, and no one would know for sure 100%, but the thought always crossed my mind when ever I see curly cots and club roots. Just curious if you used peroxide or not, I know some people never have a problem when they use it , and it might be the amount they use.

its probably just luck for me, but I know since I quit using peroxide a few years ago, I haven't had a curly cot or club root since(cross my fingers and knock on wood)

5/1/2009 5:31:08 AM

Rhode Island

the 1502 wr of 2006 was a club root. nuff said

5/1/2009 6:26:17 AM

Western NY

i usually get one every other year or so. 3 or 4 this year, one of which is really bad. no h2o2, just soak @90, then incubating at 85-88.

5/1/2009 8:19:38 AM

Williamsburg,KY

This may sound silly, but just what is club root and how can you tell if your seed has one. Any pictures? Thanks Croley

5/1/2009 9:00:45 AM

Western NY

this is one of the worst examples: http://bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=47455

if you stick the seed right into the dirt after soaking, most people probably won't even notice it happening, except that they don't tend to push up through the soil as much as a normal one will.

5/1/2009 9:48:12 AM

Minnesota([email protected])

Thanks for the replies.
Brooks,
I didn't soak in hydrogen peroxide.
Okiegal,
I think the germination temps. have been mostly around 80-87 degrees F. I use a one gallon jug of hot water in a fairly large cooler. So the temp. varies some, depending on when I add fresh hot water.
I'm not even sure some of these are club roots. Some look fatter than a normal root, but don't have the flat edge at the tip. They seem slow growing.
Anyhow, I potted them up, and if they produce a healthy looking plant I'll go with it, if it's my first choice based on genetics. Being the 1502 Wallace and the 1313 Bowles were both club roots, and produced personal bests for both growers, that gives me reassurance.

5/1/2009 6:38:08 PM

Williamsburg,KY

Thanks for the pic Andy. I did have one seed that had a funny looking root on it, not the normal long and slender. Its potted and well, we will just see what happens. I looked at the pic and it said Dr Ron Wallace had a treatment..what is that treatment? Stevann

5/2/2009 7:56:46 AM

Owensboro, Ky.

The first 869 Burton seed that I planted 2 weeks ago seemed to not be coming up...at the 7 day mark, I gently dug it up...and it looked exactly (almost) like the seed in Andy's photo (mine still had the seed coat on, but the lil club root looked the same...2 days ago,(12 days total) it broke thru the top, and has 2 healthy looking cots, sitting right at soil level. (just like Andy described). This seedling will get special attention, hoping to rid myself of the dreaded cap!!! LOL Peace, Wayne

5/7/2009 12:38:25 AM