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Midway, UT

After reading the aggc thread I decided to launch this weekend a pumpkin genetic search tool similar to the one on briansinsanity.com or a light version of the aggc.org. This search has a comprehensive list of 8,900+ pumpkins and their crosses from 2008 to the 1980s. The site is in beta right now and will be free to the public for the next week or two while data is cleaned up and minor bugs are worked out. After that I'm thinking of charging just $12 per year for memebership. By no means is this site meant to replace the aggc, but to give an option to those people who have not had the opportunity to join. Feel free to give it a try at www.pumpkinlink.com.

1/5/2009 1:28:20 PM

Thuringia/Germany

Very nice Jamie!

1/5/2009 2:02:31 PM

Netherlands, Rotterdam

Great site!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks,

Sebas

1/5/2009 2:24:09 PM

Colorado Springs.Co

That'll work.

1/5/2009 3:30:31 PM

Germany

wohooooooooo happy new year :)
awesome site!

1/5/2009 4:17:27 PM

Flat Rock, Michigan

excellant jamie

thanks.

john

1/5/2009 4:17:39 PM

Columbus,ohio

That is preety cool. I like the fact you can fined the parents of the parents easily.

1/5/2009 4:18:59 PM

New Bremen, Ohio

Very user-friendly & quick way to retrieve information.

Good Job.

1/5/2009 4:40:55 PM

Adams County

looks good

1/5/2009 6:05:42 PM

Ohio

Looks good Jamie. Do all the pumpkins, that are entered, have to be weighed at a GPC sponsored weigh-off?

1/5/2009 7:12:19 PM

Midway, UT

Any pumpkin can be entered. The more pumpkin data the better as far as I'm concerned.

1/5/2009 7:58:43 PM

and there lies the flaw with this plan,,not to rock the boat,, but one of the reasons the AGGC is monitored is to try and qualify the data. All the genetic info in the world isn't worth beans if there are errors or mistakes in the offerings from the sites growers are using when making crosses.

Just an observation on my part, not knowing where your info came from to this point Jamie. I commend your effort but worry for the long term of the hobbies sake.

1/5/2009 9:08:52 PM

Colorado Springs.Co

He's from Arvada not Chicago.

1/5/2009 11:55:24 PM

Woburn, MA.

Hey Jamie, it looks great so far. I am sure it will only get better! Paul

1/5/2009 11:57:23 PM

Newton. KS

I hear you Dan & agree. Who said capitalism is dead?
Another mouth to feed & he is from Arvada not Chicago.
Mike N. keep up the great work. Someone needs to steer the proverbial ship before it ends up on the beach.

1/6/2009 10:57:28 AM

Joliet, IL

exclusive priviliege will always lead to contempt...am i an aggc member..yes...yet i do not like that fact that not everyone can somehow obtain the same knowledge even if they are willing to make a 20 dollar donation and a verbal agreement that if they abuse their privilieges, they will then be expelled from the site. i have been on both sides of this situation, and know first hand the frustrations of a first or second hand grower not being allowed in. i am putting myself in jeopardy right now for making these comments and may lose my own privilieges for stating my opinion. but if people are willing to pay, it is not about the server space, it is about exclusitivity. no offense mike, but i think eventually enough people shut out will again and again find away to make the data available to all.
they feel cheated, and so did i in the early days. i know mike has spent more hours creating this site and updating data than any of us can dream of. still, i wish it was an open site for those willing to pay.

1/6/2009 10:15:41 PM

Vancouver Washington

nice work....i hope you stay with it. Let me know when you are ready to take subscribers - I will certainly give it a go.

1/7/2009 2:47:48 AM

Newton. KS

I will stick with Mike. No need to rewrite the bible at a lower price. IMO too much info is just that too much. Why doesn't Jamie work with Brian & update his site. How many of us have used that site & never paid him a cent? My hand is up. A die hard grower who was not in it for personal gain!!! I read a few posts where so many were lost when it went down. Because it was....FREE? Sorry Jamie. In the military they told me you need to earn your stripes son, start digging. Old habits die hard!!

1/7/2009 10:44:31 AM

Ham Lake, Minnesota

I think there is reason to rewrite the bible and offer it to the general public if the original is available only on an exclusive basis. If Jamie makes a site that is free or charges but still allows anyone and everyone access to it- great. All the people will go there that have been turned down from the private school and create competition. Maybe AGGC will reconsider open enrollment.

1/7/2009 11:09:13 AM

Newton. KS

Alex, I appreciate your point of view. You too shazzy. Yet within the context of your statements lies the real issue. Both of you mention exclusive rights based on what? Not paying for Mike's service? When you allow the term general public into the equation I think issues will arise. Data will have flaws. I went through this years GPC stuff to create my own spread sheet. Wow, info was all over the place. Think about what you are doing before you leap.
Also consider those that started this hobby.
Boils down to respect for me!!
Yet, what do I know, I am still in the cave rubbing 2 sticks together to make fire. Again sorry Jamie just a point of view nothing more.

1/7/2009 3:39:56 PM

Ham Lake, Minnesota

There are terms of becoming a member of AGGC you must meet or be required to pass. Like biker gang stuff! LOL Harvard school of Pumpkins!

1/7/2009 4:02:04 PM

Where did the data come from jamie?

A simple question begs an answer. If you had time this weekend to put together a beta program with data from over 8900 fruit dating back to the '80's I would suggest you take the time to tell your public how that amazing feat was accomplished. I also suggest that the "strong supporters" rethink the $8 savings they will have when this data becomes a "pay site".

As a further suggestion to growers, as the quote goes "grow a bigger pumpkin". The "biker gang" will be willing to accept you and you'll have access to the best and most trusted genetics info on the net involving AG's.

Spend the time researching soils and actual growing techniques instead of worrying about playing Mendel and growing that "qualifying" fruit won't be such a daunting task.

aren't winters fun?

1/7/2009 4:39:56 PM

Joliet, IL

cuke,
that is my question. exclusive rights based on what? who decides when a person earned their stripes to get in and what is the exact qualifications for new members to enter. it is very vague and mike has the ultimate say so of who gets in or not. that makes it exclusive. it is excluding those who wish to pay money to obtain info. if there is only so many on a server space, mike might want to at least create a waiting list. a person could then actually see how long or know when they might be able to join based on the list. leaving a person in limbo not knowing when or if they will be allowed in and by what merits they must achieve to get in is the cause of frustration. this frustration is obviously felt strongly enough by many pumpkin growers out there...hence the briansinsanity and now this pumpkin link and the responses already in this post. this subject gets brought up evey winter, not because people have nothing else better to do, but for the reason this is the prime time for a grower to study up. i love mike's site and all he has done, but more sites will arise if some are excluded.
just an opinion and no harsh feelings to mike, mikes' supporters, or anyone else out there. it is just might insight from also feeling left out in the old days.

1/7/2009 4:54:59 PM

Joliet, IL

dan, i hear what you and others are saying about "grow a bigger pumpkin and you will get in". with that logic, there are some growers out there that have been growing for many years and are still very involved in this hobby on all aspects, that should never be allowed to enter the aggc because for what ever reason, they have not reached the bigger numbers yet. and yet, they obtained membership. i see both sides cleary and understand mike's logic. i just do not agree with it. and that is ok. everyone can like it or lump it. but that brings us back to why these other sites will contnually be formed. there is a need for info. necessity is the mother of invention.

1/7/2009 5:05:21 PM

Colorado

The data base that has the most complete info on the giants will get the most traffic.The aggc is a great resource but doesnt seem to be getting entries from all the growers.The aggcs photos are invaluable along with some of the other data.Jamie if you could eventually incorporate photos it would really be awesome.

1/7/2009 8:04:10 PM

Winston Salem NC

Jamie I congratulate you on going the distance with your site ideas. Between your site and Brians alot of information can be found. If anyone like the AGGC is worried about new growers or others putting up misinformation about weights or whatnot then why not allow a restricted side of the equation by blocking the registered screenname from making entries. Alot of growers like myself just want to research there seeds history. I have nothing to add to the database now or maybe even next year. For true promotion of the sport I think that profiling a grower because of experience will hurt more than help. I have limited access to AGGC through the GVGO and it is impressive with alot of data, but then again so can someone elses that doesent sensor memberships. Just my 2 pennys though.

1/7/2009 9:52:53 PM

Deer Park WA

Wow your sites awesome Jamie! I checked out the listings you have of all our seeds and they are absolutly correct. I also checked out the listings of a few of my "heavy hittin homies" and they are dead on too! Again great site and its free to all users!

Thanks again,

Gerry Gadberry

1/8/2009 11:07:20 AM

"The site is in beta right now and will be free to the public for the next week or two while data is cleaned up and minor bugs are worked out. After that I'm thinking of charging just $12 per year for memebership."

1/8/2009 4:37:10 PM

Dresden, Ohio

Here is an idea......Why don't we all stop wasting time on this subject. If the owner of the AGGC wants to take this to a lawyer, then let him do so. Otherwise, just use whichever of the sites that you would like to. Too much time having a peeing contst as to which poster is right about copyright. Spend more time on growing giant pumpkins.
-Jeremy

1/8/2009 5:57:36 PM

Newton. KS

shazzy, another point of view is always welcome.
Jeremy, I will refrain from saying what I feel. I understand the need to keep updated on current events. Want to know an ironic twist to this tale? I am not a member of the AGGC. Standing up for someone who could care less what is said. After giving to all the clubs & pap's kids I have nothing left. The real reason I was asking why do we need to pay for another site. Who are we supporting? Better yet who gets the proceeds? Lining another pocket. Jamie you take the money earned & help pap's kids I am behind you all the way!!!!!! Don't care to see the price of seeds go up more becasue U can buy them based on the data base. In a bidding war U win. The way to earn stripes without being shot at. More to the game then just the ability to take something in place & make it your own for the sake of the mighty dollar. Dan, I got your back in a bar fight any day!! RMGVG if I offended U with my thoughts, just drop me from roll call. Whizzer thanks for the seeds. Noticed you didn't respond. My loss.

1/9/2009 10:46:14 AM

Western PA

Jamie, Ignore the people that have nothing but negative things to say!! I think what you are doing is great for the sport of growing AG's. When it comes to having multiple research sites that is for the better, Competition is part what makes things better!!

I don't know who brought up a possible lawsuit, but that is total BS!! This information is public information nobody owns this information!!

Just keep adding more features, pictures of pumpkins, and detailed data. Then who knows, soon enough the same people bashing might just be using your site.

Have a good one.

1/10/2009 11:35:34 AM