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Vancouver Washington

I just picked up about 6 yards of extremely fresh diary manure. They just extracted the water out it. It stinks...and looks basically like rotted grass and corn etc. I would think this would work well tilled in this fall. I plan on turning the soil a couple times before spring..so it will get some air and I am going to mix some other compost and leaves with it. what do you all think. Good idea? bad idea?

10/21/2008 5:12:30 PM

Hey, Rod, is diary manure when a grower is boasting erroneously in their diary?

10/21/2008 5:26:31 PM

Garden State Pumpkins

Bad idea...put in a pile to the side and let it compost for a year or two...read all the early sason magot reports from this year.

10/21/2008 5:26:55 PM

Port Elgin, Ontario, Canada

yes - the old diary manure - it always comes out at this time of year!

10/21/2008 6:29:08 PM

Boulder County Colorado USA planet Earth

HAHAHA capt is not the only person who cant spell lol

Yes you can use fresh manure if you put it on NOW but put it in a pile near your most hated neighbor and let it set till next yr,.

10/21/2008 7:33:53 PM

Clinton, Iowa

we have used this exact stuff for the past 8 years... 700 to 1000 head milking operation ...milked 24/7 365 days a year... Press the water and liquid out and heavies get conveyed out the back where is is piled high and spread.....the sequence was as follows
2001 5 trailer loads (approximently 4 to 5 yards per load on the 4600 square foot patch)then massive amounts or maple leaves
fall plowed and the patch covered again in maple leaves..left till spring and plowed again..then planted
2002 4 trailer loads and same as 2001 with the leaves
2003 Skip the manure ..just leaves..plowed and more leaves
2004 2 trailers or manure and the usual leaves regiment
2005 skip the manure just the leaves
2006 2 trailers of manure and the leaf regiment
2007skip the manure and just the leaves...
2008 this fall 3 trailers full of manure the leaves will soon follow if they ever fall!!LOL!! and neighbors love us right now!!loL!
If you want to know our results as in weights and so forth..feel free to write a PM to
[email protected]
we have not touched the patch with a chemical fertilizer since 1999....yes we have aded some calcium but nothing granular like 10-10-10....etc etc....fall prep and plant...that is our strategy
DAN

10/21/2008 10:39:14 PM

Vancouver Washington

Nice Neil....lol....I think there is a whole host of "diary manure" categories...

Thanks Dan as well...I have a good feeling about the manure working well and i was hoping that someone had some experience using it. I know it is pretty raw, but there is lots of time to let it break down.

Now back to posting some more diary manure...Dear diary..

10/21/2008 10:56:53 PM

Vancouver Washington

Nice Neil....lol....I think there is a whole host of "diary manure" categories...

Thanks Dan as well...I have a good feeling about the manure working well and i was hoping that someone had some experience using it. I know it is pretty raw, but there is lots of time to let it break down.

Now back to posting some more diary manure...Dear diary..

10/21/2008 10:58:12 PM

Vancouver Washington

whoops.. now i can't even spell Neal.....sorry Neal..

10/21/2008 10:58:40 PM

Clinton, Iowa

Not sure about the problems others may have had i just know we have not experienced anythng like what was mentioned.. i do thinkk the raw new stuff aids in the breaking down of all the leaves...we add a tremendous amount of maple leaves every year..I would say 90% of them are not ground up or shreaded....thus it takes a bit longer to break down but by spring they are pretty much disappearing after a pass or two with the tiller ..good luck
DAN

10/22/2008 6:52:28 AM

Anamosa, IA [email protected]

Usually the problem with fresh manure is too much nitrogen, and the problem with tilling in too much organic matter is that it ties up a lot of nitrogen in the soil and keeps it from the plants. Also, manure nitrigen is not all available the first year; some isn't available until the second year. So with fresh manure every other year and lots of leaves every year, it looks like Dan and Marc have a very good system going. You can't argue with their results either.

10/22/2008 9:57:02 AM

That's okay, Rod. I ordered a pizza the other night, and the gal wrote down "Niel." It's that whole "i before e except after c...and n in Neil." Or in this case, Neal. :)

I agree with Dan, the dairy solids sound pretty nice. There's your nitrogen source, and if you have a nice carbon source (leaves, etc.) to go with it (and get it worked in this fall) you should have some nice tilth come spring. If you don't get it worked in...I think you'll have a swamp.

10/22/2008 9:57:31 AM

South Bloomfield, Ohio

Dan,

After reading your post, I'm feeling really good right now.

I tilled 4300 sq. ft. of new ground this summer and covered it with 12" of last year's maple leaves to mulch out weeds. Three weeks ago, I added 16 yards of the same manure as you(heated to kill weed seeds and water separated from it), allowed it to sit for two weeks to dry even more, and then tilled it all under.

No salt-based fertilizers here either, with the exception of calcium nitrate at planting time(dependent upon spring soil test results). Fall test came back with nitrogen as the only recommendation at 74 lb./acre.

10/22/2008 3:42:30 PM

Ohio

I agree with Danny, I always have put fresh manure down in the fall and then load the patch with maple leaves. I don't think it hurts at all.
Last spring I did put down what I thought was older manure, but after I had it spread I found out it wasn't as aged as I thought it was. So I went ahead and tilled it in real good any way.
Well, I run into deep trouble doing it this way, with the colder temps and rain we had this wet spring I had seed corn maggots out the ying yang,they was chomping inside the base of my new seedlings a week later after planting.

After losing my first round of seedlings I even tried drenching my back up plants that was still in the pots with merit, and then planting them. But this didn't work ether, the maggots still ended up getting to the seedlings. When I dug up my 2nd round of plants, 100's of tiny maggots would be inside the stem down near the roots,although the maggots was dead this time from my merit drenching, by this time the plant was already dead and it was to late. I lost a lot of great plants this year to them nasty b..$#@! lol

I read the seed corn maggot(eggs laid by a skinny type fly) loves wet manure/compost, and thive in cooler temps and damp areas. For a prevention is to plant the seedlings later when the weather warms. But who wants to wait until July to start your seedlings?,lol

10/23/2008 8:21:12 AM